Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8 L versus Canon EF 24-105mm f/4 L IS

Posted on 06 February 2011

Anyone who spends any time in photography forums discussing Canon lenses has seen this topic come up regularly. (Some might say it comes up almost obsessively!) If you follow this subject you are familiar with posts asking which of these lenses is “best” or claiming that one or the other is great and the other is poor. Rather than re-writing what I have to say about this every time the subject comes up, I thought I’d try to post once here and then link. (A disclaimer: I own and use one of the two lenses but not the other.)

To begin with, a few general thoughts about comparing lenses and other gear:

  1. Best” and “better” are relative rather than absolute concepts – what is “best” must be considered relative to each photographer’s particular needs. Rather than asking “Which is best?” it more often makes sense to ask, “Which is the best fit for me?”
  2. When your personal comparison results in a decision that one thing is better than the other for you, it does not necessarily follow that “the other thing” is no good or even deficient in a general way. In many cases both of the compared items are actually excellent.
  3. When comparing lenses, “sharpness” is not only a more complex topic than it might seem… but it is also not the only or even necessarily the most important factor. Flexibility, size and weight, cost, functional features, suitability to intended use, and much more can be more significant than small differences in image quality.
  4. It is risky to take online forum reports too seriously. For one thing, people are far more likely to post about a perceived problem than about  something that works fine, and when they do post about a problem they can become quite emotional about it. For another, depending upon the particular people who get involved in the discussion, a single incident – sometimes of questionable context – can become inflated into scores or hundreds of posts and become an online meme. (Forums are not without value – just be cautious!)
  5. Considering a lens on its own is useful, but photographers also need to consider how a lens fits into the overall set of lenses they use on their camera body or bodies. If you identity a weakness in the performance of one lens, this weakness may be less important if you have another lens that is strong in that area.
  6. No lens is perfect. Each has strengths and weaknesses, or what I like to call its personality. While lens A might have a weakness in some aspect of its performance, lens B probably has a weakness in some other area. The strengths of the two lenses may also be somewhat different.

With all of that in mind, I start with the premise that both lenses are quite good and that excellent photographs can be produced with either. In many cases, other reviewers hold the same point of view. While you can certainly find reviewers who will state that one or the other is “better” in a specific or general way, the overall trend it so recognize both as being very fine lenses.

EF 24-70mm f/2.8 L

This lens has a strong reputation as a solid “normal” zoom on full frame Canon cameras. It can reportedly produce fine image quality throughout its focal length range, and the f/2.8 aperture slightly extends its ability to shoot in low light, to deal with moving subjects, and to minimize depth of field (DOF). Resolution is very good for a zoom, though it should be no surprise that the image softens some, especially in the corners, wide open – this is normal. It has an interesting “backwards” design in which the lens extends as it goes wider, which has an effect on lens hood design that many regard as positive. The lens is not small nor is it light. The 24mm wide focal length gets close to the start of the ultra wide range on a full frame camera, though it isn’t particularly wide on a cropped sensor body. The 70mm focal length begins to get into the wide end of the portrait focal length range on full frame, and certainly does “go there” on crop.

EF 24-105mm f/4 IS L

This lens also has a strong reputation as a solid “standard” zoom on full frame Canon bodies. It also produces generally excellent image quality across its range. The addition of image-stabilization (IS) extends the use of the lens by several stops in low light shooting as long as the limiting factor would otherwise be camera stability rather than subject motion. (IS won’t help with moving subjects where shutter speed is the limiting factor.) Resolution is quite good for a zoom, being best in the middle of the range and perhaps being a bit less sharp at 105mm, where it is still quite good. As with the other lens, the 24mm wide focal length borders on ultra wide with a full frame camera, though it is not really very wide at all on cropped sensor bodies. The 105mm focal length at the long end provides more “reach” and goes will into the “portrait” focal length range on full frame, and well beyond on cropped sensor bodies. For its focal length range the lens has a reasonable weight and bulk. Given its larger focal length range, it isn’t surprising that it exhibits more barrel distortion at 24mm and light fall-off (“vignetting”) at f/4.

So, how to decide? Rather than thinking first about the lenses themselves think first about your photography. After all, you aren’t looking for The World’s Best Lens – you are looking for the lens that works best for you. How do you shoot? What subjects do you shoot? In what conditions do you shoot? How would either of these lenses fit into your current collection of equipment or the setup you are gradually acquiring? Here are a couple of hypothetical cases – though both represent real photographic situations:

Scenario 1

This photographer often works indoors in low light and may or may not be able to use flash, often shooting at larger apertures and working handheld. The need here might be to expand the functionality around the “normal” 50mm focal length with a more flexible zoom that still has as large an aperture as possible. The larger aperture permits photography of moving subjects in slightly lower light without a flash, the 24mm wide end lets the photographer work in tight interior situations (among other things), and 70mm is enough to get a bit more reach. This photographer might also use one of the 70-200mm L zooms, and might even have two bodies, one with each lens, making overlapping focal lengths somewhat redundant. While IS might be “nice” on such a lens, expanding its usefulness a bit in some low light situations, this photographer might simply add a flash. It may also be the case that this photographer isn’t too concerned about the weight and bulk of the equipment. The 24-70 f/2.8 sounds like it might be a great choice here.

Scenario 2

This photographer most often works in good light, or with static subjects in lower light, and tends toward using smaller apertures – perhaps this person is an outdoor photographer. The photographer may shoot handheld on occasion, but may also frequently work from a tripod. This photographer’s issue in low light is perhaps more the ability to hand hold the camera than it is to stop action. Or perhaps this photographer pairs large aperture primes with the smaller aperture zoom. The 24mm wide end is useful for some shots here, too, but the 105mm focal length reduces the need to switch lenses as often when a longer focal length is needed – and some photographers might get along with just this lens in some situations. This photographer may pair the lens with one of the 70-200mm zooms, too, but perhaps likes overlapping focal lengths, which also can reduce the need to make lens changes. If our photographer is an outdoor shooter, the smaller/lighter lens with larger focal length coverage may appeal in terms of lightening the load of equipment. The subjects that this photographer shoots rarely reveal the increased vignetting/barrel distortion at 24mm, and when this is an issue a post-processing fix can work. The 24-105 f/4 IS sounds like it might be a great choice here.

These aren’t the only possible scenarios – consider how many others there might be – and these aren’t the only issues. But do notice that once you let go of the sometimes-distracting question concerning which of two good lenses is slightly better in optical terms (e.g. “sharper”) you can see more clearly the other important functional differences between the lenses and consider how they are or are not important to your shooting.

In the end, one talented and skillful photographer might choose the 24-70 as the better lens for his/her work… and another equally talented and skillful photographer might choose the 24-105.

Note for cropped sensor camera photographers

I often see photographers who shoot Canon cropped sensor cameras (and other photographers, too) falling victim to what might be termed “L lust.” They assume that a lens must have a red ring and an embossed letter “L” in order to be good, and they frequently simply dismiss all non-L lenses from consideration. And photographers who are shopping for lenses are often overwhelmed by the “advice” from some “L-caholics” who can’t say anything good about non-L lenses.

L lenses generally are quite fine lenses, both in optical terms and in terms of their robust construction or “build quality.” But this doesn’t mean that L lenses are the only good lenses, nor that the L lens is always preferable to a non-L alternative. One place where this is very true is with several of the Canon EFS lenses that are designed specifically to work on Canon 1.6x cropped sensor cameras. Among these lenses is the EFS 17-55mm f/2.8 IS lens. I mention this because this could well be a better choice than either of the two L lenses discussed above if you are a cropped sensor shooter looking for a very high quality lens that covers the range around the normal focal length range on a cropped sensor body.  It has the IS of the 24-105 and the f/2.8 aperture of the 24-70 in one package, and its focal length range is more ideal for most shooters.

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23 comments to Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8 L versus Canon EF 24-105mm f/4 L IS

  • Bret EdgeNo Gravatar says:

    Fantastic post and comparison of the two lenses, Dan. I have the 24-105 and briefly considered trading it for the 24-70 before coming to my senses. For my needs, the 24-105 is a better lens. I carry it attached to my 5D MKII at all times in a Lowepro Topload chest pack. As an adventure photographer, having that extra 35mm of telephoto reach is HUGE. I need the longer focal length far more often than I’d need nicely blurred backgrounds thanks to the f/2.8 aperture of the 24-70. When I use the lens for landscapes, I’m usually stopped down to f/11 or f/16, which negates the whole vignetting issue. Barrel distortion is such an easy fix in Lightroom that it’s a non-issue for me.

    Thanks again for a great comparison and for setting the record straight on what makes one lens “better” than another.

  • Ben GundyNo Gravatar says:

    Not much I can add to this post as you covered the subject quite well Dan. However, I did have to choose between the two lenses last year when I finally took my 5DII out of its box and needed a lens for it. I think it took me a whole micro second to decide it was the 24-105mm L lens. Why you ask, well, because I can’t remember ever using f/2.8 on any lens I have ever owned for the last 30+ years. My type of shooting doesn’t require a fast lens so never really went down that road. I like the further reach that the 24-105mm has over the 24-70mm and this was the deciding factor for me. The 24-70mm L is a great lens and glad Canon has it in the line-up but not for me at this point.

  • Bret, I think you provide a perfect example of a photographer whose use pattern benefits from the 24-105 – you can probably shoot a wider range of your subjects with this lens than with the 24-70 focal length range, you don’t need the larger aperture since you typically shoot stopped down, since you carry it in the Topload bag on your chest the size and weight issues are not unimportant to you, and you are fine dealing with the bit of additional barrel distortion at 24mm in post on those occasions when you notice it.

    (Ben, I think you were posting your message while I was typing my reply to Bret – but it sounds like you are in a similar situation.)

    Dan

  • Thanks for the comparison, and especially for providing the comparative scenarios. As you know, I have the 24-70 f/2.8, and I will admit that I have found the focal length range to be a bit limiting, so I probably change lenses more often than I’d prefer. I have thought many times that the 24-105 would be a great lens for the subjects I most commonly photograph. It is rare indeed for me to need f/2.8 in that focal length range.

    Interestingly, I have wished for a larger aperture at times in the extreme wide-angle range, where it could be useful for photos of stars/Milky Way above an interesting landscape. I figure it is only a matter of time before the sensors will improve sufficiently to make this issue go away (currently, my 17-40 f/4 is not quite as bright as I’d like on my 5D MKII to get clean star images with pinpoint stars – it is fine for star trails, but not great for an image of a starfield above the mountains).

  • Richard, it may seem odd but it some situations I’ve been less inclined to need the 70-105mm range than in the past… though only in some! Since I’ve moved more and more towards using the 70-200 for covering the 70mm+ range, I’m a bit less likely to keep the 24-105 on the camera for those shots nearer its longer end. On the other hand, on those occasions when I want to go with only one zoom lens, I do like having that extra bit of reach.

    Dan

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  • I appreciate this very rational discussion of these two lenses. Based on the way I shoot, the 24-70 seems more like the right choice for me. But I’m not going to get it, because I already have the 17-55 you mention, and I LOVE it. So much that I basically bought a crop frame camera just to continue to use it. If I get into the right position and I hold my breath, i can often hand-hold it for a second or longer.

    Anyway, nicely said. Lenses are not magic, and the photographer makes the most difference in the quality of the images.

  • ArthurNo Gravatar says:

    Dan,
    I am using a Canon 7d and is quite new to photography i just want to know between the 24-70mm and the 24-105mm which one is right for me.
    I have the 70-200mm 1:4 (my only lens) and the 450d Stock lens from my first camera.)
    I shoot in doors and out doors and i am looking to get at least one of these and should i have to i will then get the other. I would prefer to stick with one of these lenses for i want to get the sigma 30mm F1.2 afterwards for i have tested my friend’s and i loved it but first i need one that at least covers from 24-70mm. I like the 24-70 for it has better aperture and actually the only thing i am interested in with the 24-105mm is it’s IS. but also the fact that it covers to 105 which i don’t have to switch lenses that often.

    Thanks

  • Hi Arthur:

    Thanks for stopping by! There are a lot of things to consider when it comes to choosing a lens for a cropped sensor camera. You are right to phrase this question as “which is right for me?” rather than as “which is best?” since both are excellent lenses with somewhat different strengths and weaknesses.

    The most important questions are those about your own photography and how that determines what you will ask a lens to do. In the end, almost any lens choice comes down to deciding which compromises make the most sense for your photographic needs – and not to the inherent “betterness” or one or the other lens.

    You more or less point this out in your post when you note that you see some value in the larger aperture but you also see value in the larger focal length range and IS – and, perhaps unfortunately, you cannot get all three of these in one Canon lens that covers this focal length range. So, between these two lenses you need to analyze your shooting needs to decide whether the one stop larger aperture is or is not more critical to your work than the larger focal length range and IS.

    I used the 24-105 on a cropped sensor camera at one point and in many ways it worked quite well… and I think that in many ways the 24-70 would, too. However, 24mm is not very wide at all on a cropped sensor camera being equivalent in angle-of-view terms to something close to 40mm. Your photography may be very different from mine, but I felt handicapped by having nothing wider than 24mm on a cropped sensor body, and I quickly realized I needed to augment this lens with a wide angle zoom.

    There is another option that is a good one, if you are considering Canon lenses. Since you already have the 70-200mm lens, you have that 70-105mm range covered there – which might suggest that the larger focal length range of the 24-105 could be a bit less important to you. There is a really excellent Canon EFS 17-55mm f/2.8 IS lens that you should consider. This lens, like the 24-70, gives you the f/2.8 aperture you are thinking about. However, like the 24-105, it also gives you image stabilization. You would not have as long of a maximum focal length… but you would also cover the wide angle range that most people want.

    Dan

  • ArthurNo Gravatar says:

    Dan,

    Thanks for the suggestion that really helped but since i am also considering one day to get a 5dmk2 it would be nice for me to have a an ef lens. What you said is very true since I usually most of the time shoot pictures for my youth group and work events although I also like to when i have time is to go out and shoot pictures outside, but since most of the time i am shooting indoors what you suggested is actually a better lens for my purpose. There is lots for me to learn in this field for i did not take any courses i don’t know a lot of technical term. i am learning by experience and also reading in the internet. I thank you on your suggestion and will take a serious consideration on the EFS 17-55mm lens but i want a lens that is sharp with good bokeh too. so now my choices is between the EFS 17-55 or the EF 24-70mm. I will do some research on which one will be right for me.

    Thanks A Bunch

    Arthur Sun

    • Hi:

      These are always tough issues to balance. One thing to think about regarding the EFS lens… While you might get a full frame camera at some unknown point in the future, you will very definitely be shooting with the cropped sensor camera now and for some time to come. With this in mind, there is an argument for getting the lens that is best for the camera you have (this goes for the EFS choice and the focal length range issue) rather than sacrificing the functionality of your camera for a possible but uncertain future acquisition.

      If you are worried about losing value, if you do get that full frame camera you will either sell the cropped sensor body and lens and recoup a good part of your expense that way, or you will keep both as back up. In either case, the value of the camera and lens are considerably more than zero.

      Dan

    • Hi Arthur…I’m Dan’s brother so I get to chime in here too!

      I have to add to what Dan said about retaining your crop sensor camera when you get the 5DMKII. I currently own both a crop sensor (7D) camera and the full-frame 5DMKII. Even though I have the 5DMKII, I still use both. The 7D crop factor is helpful when I’m trying to shoot extreme telephoto images – it is better to shoot them with the crop sensor that to shoot them on the 5D MKII and then crop the resulting image in Photoshop. Of course, the 7D is a terrific camera by itself, and is faster focusing and shooting than the 5DMKII, and so it is used a lot for wildlife and sports imagery. I almost exclusively use my 5DMKII for landscape work.

      If you can manage to hang onto both, you’ll likely be glad you did. The EF-S lens will still be used on your crop sensor camera (when I don’t want to worry about having the right lens, I take my 7D and an 18-200mm Canon lens with me…perhaps not the optical horsepower of some of my gear, but great for a grab and go outfit! (better than not having my camera!)

  • ArthurNo Gravatar says:

    Dan and Richard,

    Thanks a lot for the advice that helped me come to my final conclusion, Since i have the 18-55 hoya lense i would get the 24-70mm f/2.8 lens since that is the most useful range at the moment and when i really need a close range lense i could use my 18-55mm lens. I then Will collect enough money to get the 17-55mm lens since that could replace my 18-55mm and would be of great asset since it is such a great lens (i have done my home work :) ) What you guys said is very helpful and yes i won’t be changing to the 5d Mk2 any time soon and by the time i get the full frame it would be the 5d Mk3 if money allows. but i will keep my 7d since this is my first 1.6 DSLR crop and i love this camera!

    Arthur Sun

  • ArthurNo Gravatar says:

    Dan,

    Oh by the way i really like your photos in the gallery, Your lucky to be living in such a nice place, I live in hong kong a busy city so if i ever go out most of the time i will be doing street photography or looking hard for nice quite place to shoot. I would love to one day go to a place that has a great scenic place to shoot. I am a guy that loves landscaping but can’t seem to find any good landscape to my liking in hong kong… oh well still love photography

    Arthur Sun

    • Arthur, I’ll bet you have some great street photography opportunities in Hong Kong. I’ve seen some great work from there! Have you thought of “urban landscapes” – treating the cityscape as a form of landscape?

      Dan

  • ArthurNo Gravatar says:

    Dan,

    I know what you are talking about but to me since i see sky scrapers and tall buildings all the time so now to me it is kind of boring but your right city scape is a really nice thing to do but for me it is kinda over my league. of course i will still do it but i need a lot of practice for me to get better. I have been into a lot of hobbies and this is my favorite one. I hope i could get better and get my composition in order. To me photography is a mysterious thing there are rules but the rules but it almost never apply. I am currently just looking at photos by other professionals or people just to get some ideas on how to make something boring into something interesting or how i should compose my pictures. This is really neat my father was into this when i was a kid and i have always thought that tie that it was stupid and boring. Come to think of it now i was just an ignorant kid since i love photography and i don’t think i would stop.

    Arthur Sun

  • AntonNo Gravatar says:

    This 24-105mm f/4 L IS is a good reason to choose Canon vs. Nikon when you buy a first camera. I don’t know as good standard lens alternative on Nikon.

  • Bobby LeeNo Gravatar says:

    I would like to take this time to thank you for the scenario. I’ve been racking my brain over which over and over again. Tax return time frame is coming and I’m snagging one of the two, but I’ll be heading toward the f/4 24-105 L. I’m pretty steady handed and if I need the little bit extra I’ll just increase my shutter speed.

    I thank you, and I thank you. You helped me out greatly.

    • Glad I could help! I’ve been using the 24-105 since about the time it was released and it has been a fine performer for me – I think you’ll like it.

      Dan

      (When you do make your purchase, consider making it through that links on this page since that helps support this blog. :-)

  • Mike ButtonNo Gravatar says:

    I just got the 24-70 and used it for a high school senior shoot outdoors in half clouds/sun this weekend and really liked it, a lot. I used it on my 7D and even outdoors i find myself shooting wide open at 2.8 for that cool “bokeh” background. I shoot Weddings, models and HS Seniors mostly. Anyway as you said Dan, it’s all about the photographers needs and even though i don’t shoot much sports any more (wish i had this stuff back in the 80′s)I actually need the fast lens. I am going to start shooting barrel races,it looks like.I’m sure this lens with the speed of the 7D will work real fine.

    Thanks

    • Sounds like a great choice for you, Mike. And, once again, this illustrates how the choice really comes down to the particular situation and needs of the individual photographer.

      Dan

  • HarrydoNo Gravatar says:

    I heard rumour about new canon 24 – 70. is there any difference between the new one and the old version?, im thinking about getting one but now i seriously dont know whether i should wait or buy the old version.
    By the way, this is my first time visit your forum,, would like to say “hi” and thank you so much for posting informations

    Harry

    • Thanks for visiting, Harry. I only know a bit about the new lens versus the old, and that is based entirely on what I’ve read in announcements and discussions around the web. The basis specifications of the new lens appear to be largely similar to the old one, in that both cover the same focal length range and have the same maximum aperture. The physical design has reportedly been changed a bit, but I don’t know all the details. For on thing the new lens will require a larger 82mm thread filter. The reports are that the new lens may provide quite excellent image quality in terms of resolution and various types of distortion. The cost of the new lens looks like it will be significantly higher – being somewhere above $2000, if I recall correctly.

      As to the “version” question, that is always a matter of trade-offs. Lots of people like the existing 24-70 a lot, and it has been a solid, work-horse lens for a long time. In other words, it is regarded as a very good lens – and it won’t get any worse when the new one comes out. But if the “word on the street” turns out to be true, the newer version will offer even more performance… at a significantly higher price. One thing you always need to do is consider how these differences will – or will not – affect your own photography. For example, while one lens may offer better resolution than another, is your photography such that the difference will even be visible? (If you work carefully from the tripod and regularly make large, detailed, high quality prints, the answer will be quite different than if you mostly work handheld and share electronic versions of your photographs online.) And it matters whether you use a full frame or a cropped sensor body DSLR – on a cropped sensor camera a lens like the EFS 17-55mm f/2.8 IS could provide both excellent image quality and possibly greater utility.

      Dan

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